Acquired Experience

“In considering how a pilot’s job description has changed from the hands-on era to the current era of programming and monitoring computers, old timers suggest that today’s pilots better be careful or they might program themselves out of a job. I don’t think that there are many old aviators from the hands-on era who envy the pilots of these aerial transport yawners. There are a multitude of pilots flying the jets today who haven’t had the privilege of getting scared. The greatness of an airline doesn’t come from its large size, or all the updated equipment. It’s the employees who make the best of what they have and dedicate their hearts and soul to making it work. That’s what makes a resplendent airline.”–The Golden Years of Flying by Capt Tex Searle

In my career with PIA as a captain and co-pilot, I flew with 160 captains on three different aircraft 160-30 (dual equipment) = 130. It was a great opportunity to acquire hands on experience which is one of the problems facing commercial aviation; lack of experience for the role assigned. In North America, an airline co-pilot flies with one captain for some length of time which in my opinion robs him of worthwhile experience imparted through a change of captains. I have compiled a list of the seniors who taught me to stay alive:

Fokker F-27 Captains Rawalpindi Base

  • August 1969 to October 1970
  • August 1975 to March 1976
  1. Amin Akhtar
  2. Abbas
  3. Fida Muhammad Khan (son is with Qatar Airways)
  4. Manzoor Chaudhry ex-PAF Transport C130
  5. Masud Ahmad: ex-PAF
  6. Osman Khan: ex PAF
  7. Syed Haider Rahat: ex-PAF (two sons are working in aviation; one is A300 captain (Sarwath) with Qatar Airways, and another is a B747 (Nusrat) captain till last known)
  8. Syed Ahmad Hussain Rizvi (son was working in PIA as a pilot till last known)
  9. Nayyar Mohsin, Flt. Lt, ex PAF Instructor Risalpur
  10. Mushtaq Shariff: ex PAF
  11. Shaukat Ali: ex-PAF, Flt Lt., served on deputation on F-27 with Royal Air Maroc

Fokker F-27 Captains, Lahore Base

  • November 1970 to August 1971
  1. Anwarullah, formerly Lahore Flying Club–Fokker crash Rawat, Rawalpindi 6/8/70
  2. Akbar Afridi
  3. Mubashir Ahmed-deceased Fokker crash 1971 war
  4. Muhammad Zaki (son is flying for some airline)
  5. N. H. Naqvi, Squadron Leader, ex-PAF Transport
  6. Saadat Ali
  7. Shahid Ali
  8. Zahid Hussain-brother of Capt. Hamid Hussain (Mehrabad fame)
  9. Waheed Hasan Jaswal
  10. Fazluddin Haqqi
  11. Mansoor E. Khan
  12. Mansoor Malik
  13. Munir, ex-PAF Flt.Lt., F-104
  14. Mohammad Ashraf Zuberi;
  15. Ashraf, left for Biman 1971, Bangladesh Airlines.

Fokker F-27 Captains Karachi Base

  • September 1971 to October 1973; December 1974 to July 1975
  1. Muhammad Akmal (General Secretary PALPA. Led a pilot strike during Ziaul Haq’s time)
  2. S. U.R. Bokhari
  3. F. H.K. Ghori (ex-PAF, Flt. Lt. Instructor Risalpur; CFI PIA Flying Training Academy 1967-69)
  4. Humayun (left for Libyan Airlines 1972)
  5. Mannan ex-PAF, went on deputation to Malaysia
  6. N. D. Khan
  7. Etizaz Rabbani (ex-PAF, Sqn Ldr)
  8. Raziuddin
  9. Sajid Quraishi
  10. Agha Ahmed Teherany
  11. Mian Shahid Waseem
  12. Wajid Ali Shah
  13. Amjad Faizi
  14. Aqeel Ahmed Hashmi
  15. Ansar Siddiqui
  16. A. Q. Bhurgiri
  17. Shahnawaz Dara (later DFO)
  18. Mir Rashid (status unknown; left PIA a long time ago)
  19. Mansoor Moghal
  20. Hasan Zaheer (ex-PAF, Wing Comm., B-57)

707/720 Captains

November 1973 to November 1974; May 1976 to January 1977; May 1980 to August 1987

  1. Akbar Afridi
  2. Azmat (ex-PAF, Sqn. Ldr.
  3. A.T.M.A. Hussain
  4. Agha Ahmed Teherany
  5. Amin Akhtar
  6. Abbas
  7. Bashar
  8. B Ahmed
  9. E. Rabbani ex PAF, Sqn. Ldr.
  10. Fida Muhammad
  11. Hamid Hussain (Mehrabad fame)
  12. Hameed Malik
  13. Hashmat
  14. Iftekhar Janjua (deceased Kathmandu crash of Airbus A300)
  15. Imamuddin Khwaja
  16. J. M. Qureshi
  17. Kazi Masud (DFO)
  18. Kadri
  19. Muhammad Arshad Mir (ex-PAF Transport)
  20. Muhammad Akmal (General Secretary PALPA)
  21. Muhammad Ishaq (DFO)- son is a doctor and was a pilot in PIA
  22. Maqsood (ex-Squadron Ldr, PAF)
  23. Manzoor Chaudhry (ex-PAF, Flt Lt.)
  24. Musawwar Sangdila
  25. Mushtaq Cheema
  26. M. Salim
  27. M. I. Younis
  28. Morgan Félix
  29. Muhammad Ghiasuddin
  30. Nasir Rana (ex-PAF Transport)
  31. Nisar Chughtai
  32. Omair 
  33. Raonaq
  34. Sami Ahmed
  35. Sheikh Rashid;
  36. Sadiq Ali
  37. Sajid Quraishi
  38. Shahab
  39. Shafiq Qadri
  40. Syed Sultan Zaman (DFO)
  41. Wajid Ali Shah
  42. Wicar Ahmed
  43. Mahmood Ahmad
  44. Shamim
  45. Najam ul Huda
  46. Reginald Norman Luther (retd. from Singapore Airlines
  47. Mohammad Afzal
  48. Anis Khan
  49. Ashfaq Hussain
  50. Aqeel Ahmad Hashmi
  51. Shahnawaz Dara (later DFO)
  52. Ejaz ul Haq (retd. from Emirates B777)
  53. Farrukh Naqi
  54. Idrees Ahmed (President PALPA, DFO)
  55. Nasir Pervaiz Junaidi DFO, civilian POW in 1971
  56. Khalid Iqbal
  57. Khursheed Cheema
  58. Riaz Khokhar
  59. M. S.K. Lodhi
  60. Munir Khan
  61. Mahfooz
  62. Mirza Rafiq Mazhar
  63. Mansoor Moghal
  64. Mansoor Elahi Khan
  65. Zubair
  66. Nayyar Mohsin
  67. Safdar Nana
  68. Osman Yunus
  69. Pervaiz Saeed
  70. Musheer Ahmad Suri
  71. Shuja ul Hasan
  72. Shaukat Ali
  73. Tahir Rashid Mir
  74. Tariq
  75. Zia Mohammad.

 Former BOAC/BA B707 captains with PIA  1974-80 (status unknown)

  1. Easton
  2. Lovelace
  3. Drayton
  4. Siegel
  5. Stille-Lancaster pilot in WW2
  6. Banfield
  7. Blake
  8. Gingles
  9. Williams

747 Captains–March 1977–April 1980

  1. Anwar Khan
  2. Ashfaq
  3. A. A. Aziz
  4. Ahmed Ali
  5. Bashir Akhtar
  6. Chaudhry
  7. Hameed Malik
  8. Muhammad Ishaq, DFO
  9. Haider Ali Fazil
  10. Imamuddin Khwaja
  11. Khusro Nawaz Khan
  12. K. R. Khan
  13. Mobin ur Rashid
  14. Muhammad Inamur Rehman
  15. Mian Abdul Aziz, DFO
  16. Naqi Hussain Naqvi-murdered by domestic help
  17. M. F. Nasir-road accident in Lahore as passenger after retirement
  18. Abdur Rahim
  19. Raja Ziaullah
  20. Muhammad Zaki
  21. M. M. Salehjee
  22. Shaukat Hussain Khan, DFO
  23. Siraj Ali
  24. Salim Akbar.
  25. Saeed Akhtar
  26. A. Shah
  27. Salimul Haq
  28. M. M. Mahmood
  29. Syed Shamim Akbar
  30. Afaq Ahmed Rizvi
  31. Donald Frazer

Dual Equipment Captains

  1. Amin Akhtar
  2. Agha Ahmed Teherany
  3. Akbar Afridi
  4. Amjad Faizi
  5. Aqeel Ahmed Hashmi
  6. Bashir Akhtar
  7. Fida Muhammad Khan
  8. Fazluddin Haqqi
  9. Hasan Zaheer
  10. Hameed Malik
  11. Imamuddin Khwaja
  12. Manzoor Chaudhry
  13. Mushtaq Shariff
  14. Muhammad Zaki
  15. Mansoor E. Khan
  16. Muhammad Akmal
  17. Muhammad Ishaq
  18. Mansoor Moghal
  19. Nayyar Mohsin
  20. H. Naqvi
  21. Osman Khan
  22. Pervaiz Saeed
  23. Raja Ziaullah
  24. Shaukat Ali
  25. Sajid Quraishi
  26. Shahnawaz Dara
  27. Shaukat Hussain Khan
  28. Salimul Haq
  29. Tahir Rashid Mir
  30. Wajid Ali Shah

Captains in bold letters have expired

23 thoughts on “Acquired Experience

  1. Asaulakum sir . I thing at the age 8 in
    1974 I was on a PIA 707 from Lahore
    To London with my mother . I remember a I long haired
    White complexed young man in the
    Right hand seat .
    I gather this was capt m salim … am
    I correct ????

    • Captain M. Salim was my senior in PIA. He could not be sitting on the right seat on a 707 in 1974 as he was a qualified captain on that aircraft at that time and able to sit on the left hand pilot seat in the cockpit.

    • Thank you for your reply
      To my question … I met
      Capt abdullah baig at Heathrow in 1981 and there was a British pilot in the room next door this is why I have asked you this question .
      I was seeing capt baig over taking up flying but to my subprise he suggested a
      Flight engineer course .
      He was a lovely man who I meet with my father at PIA
      Flight ops T3 in Dec 1981.
      As you know capt baig has
      Since passed away in 1987

  2. Capt. Abdullah was given a ground job at London Heathrow Airport after his retirement from flying. That is all I know about him after he left Karachi. I am aware of foreign pilots and flight engineers serving in PIA around the time I flew in command on the 707, in fact I flew with five or six ex-BOAC captains who were in PIA before I became a captain on that aircraft. I also flew with non-Pakistani flight engineers in 1980-81 probably.

      • The last time I flew on a PIA 707 was in august 1989 320 C from Karachi to
        Lahore . The aircraft was being tossed about in flight en route to Lahore it seemed the aircraft was sinking like going downwards completely dark outside . I started to hold hands with my mother or stupidly my uncle but the aircraft settled off .
        After I we started getting off the 707 I asked the flight engineer I presume he was a FE how about how turbulent the flight was I got a zero reply from him.
        The last PIA 707s that used to come into Heathrow as I remember was two cargo types AP AXG. AP BBK as I remember I alway used to wait for there approach to Heathrow between
        1997 /1999.
        Unfortunately did not get the chance to load unload cargo on these because I was in another job . But between 2010 until 2015 I was loading unloading cargo on PIA 777 AP BHV. AP BHW
        AP BID. Plus BGL BGJ AP BGK
        Etc I did one PIA 747 367 AP BGG which had bad engine problems when we commenced a pushback at Heathrow in 2011 one of the engines were not spinning or starting .
        I feel PIA have many maintenance issues on the 777 .. drive systems don’t work … load sheets can be very upsetting were human remains are loaded into hold 5 and 300 baggage are put on top of them .. humans remains are put on cargo pallets with heavy cargo put on them which I feel is in human .
        To me PIA is not going in the right direction

    • The loading of the PIA 777 ie the way
      The containers and pallets are loaded what nil fits are must be in the hold if they are any .
      The amount of loose baggage is loaded in hold five etc ie is faxed by Karachi and was never done by Danata … this is the direct reason why we would question that there are 2 or 4 nil fits maybe in the front and rear cargo holds and there putting 300 baggage into hold 5.
      PIA have very odd loading instructions which is making a easy job hard for the appointed ground handlers. The guys that I used to work for sometimes tried to get away from doing the PIA because the hard work that was involved even though the white guys were pretty hard working then the Pakistani and Indians who were extremely lazy .
      However sir I have never seen any pilot come into the cargo hold and question on cargo that is being loaded like ie human remains or question certain things on pallets condition and bin conditions that might worry him .
      However the ramp operation is donkey work if the containers are demaged or pallets are uneven etc or there is no drive system working PIA have no interest in safety .
      Tommrow you might find dogs and cats mixed up with human remains in hold 5 … veg being put with again with human remains etc .

      • Assalam ul Kum
        Capt sm Hussain
        I am asking the question over the
        Crash of the Iranian 707 cargo belonging to shaha airlines .
        What do you think has happened to this aircraft as you have flown the 707 do you think it was a common 707 nose gear failure or what ???
        Or did the cargo shift aft or forward during flight ie mid loading of cargo as it was carrying meat .

  3. Asalaam o Alaikum,
    In the list of deceased Captains, the name of my father Capt Baqir is mentioned. Alhamdulillah he is still alive, 88 and FIT. Kindly correct your record. Regards,

  4. Hello,

    I am the grandson of Wicar Ahmed, and was wondering if you have any recollection/stories about him?

    Thank you

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